There’s just something about getting dead tree spam mailed to my house about a privacy focused web browser that isn’t sitting well with me… 🤔

Also, even in the heyday of the dotcom madness, I can’t ever remember getting physical mail spam about a web browser. Discounting the 17000 AOL CDs I got over the years, of course.

@rallias it included the aol browser. Which I agree, is a stretch.

@jerry How much more of a stretch would it be to suggest magazines with linux distro samples contain browsers?

@jerry and it's a cryptobro browser that funds a homophobe by stealing people's likenesses and conning people into buying into their crypto currency on their behalf masquerading as a "privacy focused browser" (edited for typo)

@jerry brave must be making a LOT of money from their "free" browser to do that LOL.. Brave does NOT have a good track record, and I would question the motives of the owner, to say the least...

@jerry where did they got your adress? A #GDPR request may show? Likely there are also a lot of data brokers in the background.

If you do not know them, you can request them with @datarequestsorg e.g.

@rugk @datarequestsorg good idea. I’ll try it. Given that I’m in the US, they likely have no obligation to respond, though.

@jerry @datarequestsorg oh yeah unless you are in Florida or whetgere they copied the gdpr, no you likely won't have a chance

@austin @rugk I own places in Georgia and Florida - two of the reddest states that would gaslight Citizens into thinking wanting privacy rights is an unAmerican, devil-worshipping, communist conspiracy to tear down the white patriarchy

@jerry Where did they get the money to do this marketing? (Same question for DuckDuckGo: where did they get the money to buy ad spots?)

@austin well, that’s my real question. And I think I know the answer…

@austin @jerry DuckDuckGo has adverts on it in the form of top results at the start of the page.

They're based out of the query you entered in your search bar, and not your past activities.

@austin @jerry Brave, anyways, uses a little more complex method: the BAT token. They basically pay in part to you for watching the ads in the form of tokens, and then they get other part of the revenue.

More info:

@austin @jerry Also: keep in mind they're people that inject money to these companies so they can get money, while they study how to make the project profitable. For instance: DDG since 2008-2014 didn't have a monetization system like now.

@lucas @jerry "Google also makes most of their money via this same type of keyword-based advertising that doesn’t require any search-history tracking" kinda needs a "citation required" for me. But I see quite some ads for DDG (on Quora and on American TV apparently) so I do wonder how much they cost... Though, I use a selfhosted SearXNG instance anyway, so whatever they do, the impact to me is minimized.

@austin @lucas @jerry Yes that's what duckduckgo points out google can sustain just by using keyword based ad revenue. yet google goes beyond limits to collect as much of data as possible which is not required.

The best part is ddg provides a off toggle for its keywords based ads too.

Its just too generous of ddg to provide with such an option.

@jerry There's a lot about Brave that's just a little off.


"a privacy focused web browser"

Yeah, no.

Brave isn't a privacy focused browser, it's a browser made to push a shitty cryptocurrency they own, control, get a cut on every single transaction, and to push their ad company (by replacing the ads of other ad companies with their own).

Brave isn't and NEVER was "privacy focused", they just used "privacy" as a marketing argument.

And this kind of crap is absolutely not surprising coming from them.

@jerry Do you care about privacy? try this browser developed by a company that targeted at your mail.

@jerry Probably the part where it fails to actually solve the problem and wastes resources spamming about it.

spam mail: Surprise! We are watching you OFF-LINE!

@jerry they should have added "also, we couldn't have bought your address". Missed opportunity. 😄

@jerry I don't know, if they really believe big tech is spying on everyone wouldn't this kind of thing be expected? Also everyone raving about their crypto currency: I've used brave for years now and have never once been pushed into using it. You can very easily turn it off on the browser. On top of that their solution to adds is a novel approach that doesn't just cut out the content creators as traditional ad block does. Brave's search engine seems to be much better than ddg as well. 🤷‍♂️

@Phaserune @jerry

I second this.

Though i love to have a privacy focused open source project to be completely free. But with big projects its just too hard to sustain without a business model.

I have tried brave for a month. They provide a lot to the table and every extra feature has a off switch.

The company past history is sketchy though.

reference: injecting affiliate links.

Funny you mentioned AoL CDs. Just found a bunch in a closet with Juno and NetZero. Also have a couple Earthling and pipelinenyc. I should post this odd collection.

@jerry I’m presuming it was untargeted, which is the point, right?

Rather than creating a giant profile, tracking your behaviour, then coming up with the genius insight that you use the Web, they simply mailed everyone an advertisement.

@futuresprog it was addressed to me, using my legal name - which I don’t use in most other contexts. They clearly bought a mailing list from someone and then paid to send me a full color postcard to encourage me to use their free web browser.

@jerry Huh, well the name on the missive wasn’t clear in your original toot. That does change it.

I expect this is also a cultural difference. Here we just pay an urchin to stuff unaddressed advertising into every mailbox on a street (except those opting out) whereas where you live, paying an agency to do a mail merge is more acceptable.

It’s unlikely Brave got your name. They’d send the advert to a company that already had a list, perhaps the mail company itself.

@futuresprog in hindsight, I should have taken a picture of both sides and blocked out my name/address to give more context.

@futuresprog and you’re right - they likely hired a marketing firm who has my contact info already.

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