I started looking into clients with end-to-end-encryption support. First one was , with its "charming" 90s messenger style. Encryption isn't the default here however, no progress on the corresponding issue. dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim-plug

Next one was which looks better but expects knowledge of things like identifiers without providing any explanation when something is wrong (yes, version 0.1). Here as well, encryption isn't the default. At least the discussions are younger. github.com/dino/dino/issues/84

@WPalant what do you mean with "XMPP identifier"? Do you mean the Jabber ID what looks like an email address?

@jr Yes, that for example. When registering I had to enter a user name and select a server, yet it expected me to compose a Jabber ID myself when logging in. And it genuinely confused me when I tried to join a channel, I didn't realize that channel IDs were composed in the same way.

@WPalant maybe open an issue for this? I totally understand how this could be confusing for first time XMPP users

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@jr It's not really an isolated incident. It's a general symptom of a UI which wasn't designed with less knowledgeable users in mind. And opening issues only gets you so far...

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@jr Mind you, I'm not blaming the devs. I've been there myself, I know exactly how this happens. Doesn't mean that I have a simple answer. There is a reason why mature projects don't let developers design user interfaces.

@WPalant @jr i used to give things to my aged Father to try... he always came back with things devs (and QA) didn't even consider 🙄

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