Looks like I will be trying out Session messenger (getsession.org). It's a fork of with many of the same advantages, in particular unproblematic setup. It appears to have made more sensible decisions in some areas however - accounts not bound to phone numbers, random recovery codes etc.

One has to share a lengthy Session ID before communicating with someone however.

Oh, and did I mention that one can create an account from the desktop client without hacking the app?

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Me trying out Session messenger came to an abrupt end - I'm uninstalling it and recommend that everybody does the same. People pointed out the app's connections to the alt-right scene which I could sadly confirm. So I don't want to contribute to them washing the stains away.

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This German-language video shows Loki Network's main developer (Jeff/majestrate) pitch his baby on 8chan and being celebrated by the alt-right for it (at 27:46). For reference, Loki Network is the foundation of Session and developed by the same startup. media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10639-let_

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Later 8chan was deplatformed and came back on Loki Network. The article calls it "inadvertent help" but it appears to be everything but that. The CEO is cited with the words "some Loki staff may have advised 8kun administrators 'to a limited extent'."


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I looked up Jeff's online presences. On Twitter he says "no fun allowed" but on his Pleroma instance he openly posts and links to racist and sexist content. He seems to be tightly embedded in the alt-right scene. So - yes, it all checks out.

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And now Jeff's crowd discovered my Mastodon account. So they predictably defend him as merely "shitposting" and having a "dark humor." And either way, Jeff never pitched Loki Network to 8chan. And even if he did, what does that have to do with Session? Yeah, sure...

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Yet somehow his "dark humor" universally unloads on non-white people and women (never mind "Communists", seems to be a popular obsession in the US). And some anonymous pitched his newly developed Loki Network on 8chan, collecting some applause for creative protocol naming.

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And - yes, Loki Network is not the same as Session. But they are both developed by the same startup and the former is the foundation of the latter. And if that startup "tolerates" people with racist and sexist views, we know the toxic swamps that result from that.

> @jeff's Crowd
LMAO, nvm, your opinion is cliquish.
> if that startup "tolerates" people with racist and sexist views, we know the toxic swamps that result from that.
When you have a technical opinion, I'll read it. For now, you don't seem to actually give a fuck about people's lives depending on privacy and encryption.
@whonose123 @leip4Ier Are you two more clowns in security theatre or something?
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