Whayts with EV cults? Tesla seems to create two extreme camps, the lovers and the haters. I think EVs are great, lots to learn for sure, but great. I'm not a fan of Tesla due to Elon being an ass, but also because the cars all look the same. I'm waiting for an Ioniq 5 to be delivered (being built in March), and I'm giddy. Any other EV fans?
@JohnsNotHere I got a Tesla not long ago. My goal was a safer car than my old beater, one that goes fast right when I stomp the pedal, and drives itself pretty good. It has certainly lived up to hopes. Commutes are noticeably nicer. I'd also still recommend ignoring the zealotry and stock market hype and ignoring what Elon promises 😅 . Way too many do look the same too! I avoided the white 3 partly for that reason. EV's are so smooth and quiet and responsive. I'll probably never go back.
@sj For sure the Model 3 is a great car, I've had a few rides in it myself. What bugs me is reading comments and even articles on "reputable" EV sites that seem to bias one way or the other. That's what bugs me more, this bias towards other EV cars.
@JohnsNotHere we bought a EV last autumn. Not able to afford a new one I tried several used EV cars, all a year or two old. I totally fell for the BMW I3. Fast, agile and fun to drive. Range and size is limited, but sufficient for our everyday needs.
Allthough Denmark is small, I don't think I would try a crosscontry drive in it. It is not really suited for hiway driving, sensitive to wind and at eating kWh fast at highway speed.
@MrManor I've seen the odd i3 in Canada before the pandemic hit. It's definitely a beautiful car, but I can totally see the cross-country roadtrip anxiety. I was scoping out a Kia Niro EV before the Ioniq 5 came into play. I had considered the Model Y as well, but between price and zealotry, I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
Now I wait, also hoping that my country follows you guys in the EU with more charging stations than we have now, not that I'm doing any major trips soon, but still.
I'm pretty ambivalent on EVs right now. Environmentally, they're as bad or worse than combustion cars when you take into account manufacturing the car, eventual disposal of the lithium batteries, and the lack of efficiency in power line transmission (50% loss is not abnormal). For a commuting/short range car, it would do the job, but would be annoying at best on longer trips. Charging isn't a 5min stop like grabbing gas.
@Ent It's funny, we used to do an annual trip that would take about 23 hours over two days, and I used abetterrouteplanner.com to map out different vehicles to see which one would be best. I settled on the Hyundai Ioniq5 which seems to add about 2 hours to the trip with charging, which is good enough for me.
Most of my driving is short stints, and even with my petrol car I was filling up once a week. Infrastructure here is getting better for EVs, so I'm giving them a shot now.
I'm sure utilities like that help. A friend of mine recently got a Tesla, and I can't remember how much extra time he said it took compared to a gas car for the 16+ hour drive that brought him through town. On certain things, I prefer avoiding bleeding edge to avoid issues, much like waiting before applying big OS feature updates.
@Ent I'm not fooling myself into believing EVs are ready for the general public - they're not. There's a certain level of planning, etc., that needs to be done first for sure. Battery technology, charging infrastructure, etc., will all get better, but we need adoption to ensure we get the resources put on those advancements. I'm willing to go in on that for now to help future generations get to a better place. That and I like tech. 🙂
I like tech as well, but I'm more than a little judicious about which things I go bleeding edge on. One of my primary metrics for a car is reliability, and only time will tell whether EVs will bear out reliability like my car's 300k miles so far. They still have significant drawbacks, like not handling frigid temperatures well, and I like sliding down frozen hills quickly on a board 😆
@Ent I wouldn't consider EVs "bleeding edge" tech, but some of the infrastructure, yes. I know more than a few folks who have had Tesla's for many years without issues in the Canadian winters, but apparently the recent Model Ys are not cut from the same cloth. But I avoid Tesla for other reasons.
I'm going with Hyundai because they've had EVs for a number of years as well, and I had an ICE version in the past that was rock solid. To each their own I suppose, but it will meet my needs. 🙂
Only time will tell how electric cars last being driven something like 300k miles over 16 years like my car has already clocked. Considering the lifetime of cell phone lithium batteries, I'm not optimistic about the lithium waste from car batteries needing replacing (or the cost of said replacements). CO2 is pretty benign compared to the sludge from lithium batteries.
Another factor for me is I don't own my own home yet. Charging is more expensive using third party services compared to using a direct line in your own place, and most apartments aren't going to provide that infrastructure unless there's a clear ROI. At a minimum, it isn't worth considering until owning a place.
@Ent Very good point. I know of some US condo associations that are forbidding EV chargers due to fire risk (thanks GM), but since I own my place I'm good with it.
I tend to keep my cars for years. My current one has 200k km and is 10 years old (if it wasn't for COVID I'm sure I'd be closer to 250k), and I'm hoping to do a similar thing with the new car. I'll definitely keep folks updated.
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